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Please Check our Tour Dates but most are based on 8days-7nights; starting & finishing on Saturday, or multiples thereof
Saturday: Arrival Day and Welcome Dinner
Sunday "Day Ride", acclimatisation & getting used to bikes & riding styles,
Monday - Friday: out on one of the Loops,
Saturday: Departure Day, or if you're with us for longer, a leisurely day pleasing yourself
Obviously Bespoke tours (for parties of five (riders) or more can be of any duration.
Is a CB 500 big enough? Don't you have anything BIGGER?
We do have bigger bikes available at a nominal fee, but most people find them very tiring, especially on the Mae Hong Son Loop, where there is over a thousand hairpin bends, over 4,000 bends altogether! Lugging a 1000 CC monster around there is hard work, we advise you leave the work at home, you're on holiday, less is more! For Rider & Pillion Combinations obviously upgraded to Kawasaki Versys 650 for free
What should we bring with us?
You will be expected to bring your own helmets and body armour. We are able to supply helmets if you wish, but we cannot guarantee their safety/fit. Bring your leathers if you like but they can be incredibly uncomfortable and cumbersome in this heat. You can buy a good armoured jacket here for about £80 if you wish. We have a backup vehicle for luggage and also carry as spare bike in case of breakdowns, so there's no limit to the amount of luggage you may bring apart from that set by the airline! However we recommend you bring a minimum because you're sure to want to take a shed load home with you, most things here cost half the amount you'd expect to pay for them in the West (unless you require actual, brand name Western goods) so don't buy a pair of shorts to bring over, you can pick up a pair for about £2, or even a pair of original Levi's jeans for about £20, copies go for about half that! The same goes for medicines etc, there's a Boots chemist in most towns and they stock nearly everything you can find at home, plus a few more interesting Thai remedies that are actually far superior to their Western counterparts given the local conditions.
What's the weather like?
Between June and September it rains, and rains, and then rains some more which is the primary reason for us not to book week-long Tours in advance for this period. The cool season is between November and February where it averages between 18 and 25oC during the day. Night times can get somewhat cooler down to about 10oC. A spot of rain occasionally, but this is very rare. February through to May it warms up gradually until in May you can guarantee 35o C. and above during the day and not much cooler at night, which is why all our hotel/resort accommodation is air-conditioned. October is usually clear but we can't guarantee you won't have a few showers, warm enough on a bike though, you get wet and then blow-dry!
Do you have set departure dates?
Yes, but if there is a large enough group of you we're sure we can arrange something to suit your needs.
How far do we ride per day?
We usually cover 150 to 350 kilometres of very good, smooth tarmac daily. There is a lot to see on the way and if you want to step take photographs you can do so at any time. Far from onerous, if you fall behind our service vehicle will stay with you until you catch up with us, probably taking photos around the next bend! Very easy riding here, on the left the same as at home in the U.K / Australia
Do I need a visa for Thailand?
Not if you don't intend to stay longer than 30 days. You will complete the form for your 30 day Visa on the flight over and immigration will simply stamp your 30 day Visa into your passport on arrival. If you wish to stay longer you can either obtain a Visa in your home country or just hop over the border and automatically get another 30 days on the way back in..
How much cash will I need?
Very little, the cost of living is very low here, only luxury items bump up the expense! Bringing £100 per person per week will MORE than suffice as we can get you a far better rate here than your bank at home will give you. You can use your Servicetill/Credit card(if you have the facility) in any ATM here for a nominal charge (usually £1.50) and draw up to 20,000baht (about £300.00) daily, Please be aware when using ATM/Servicetills you’ll pay the more expensive rate charged by your bank at home, NOT the preferential Thai rates traveller’s cheques in your home currency DO qualify for the better Thai rates though.
We have a few simple rules for your safety and convenience;
Follow our lead, not only on the road but also in the way we greet and treat people, this is an entirely different culture, and just because they don't show offence and continue to smile doesn't mean that you haven't hurt them and spoiled our (and all other foreigner’s) reputation, and as your mother used to say "manners cost nothing"!
We've read this one in a TAT (Tourism Authority of Thailand) office in Bangkok and were quite taken with it; If you want everything just like home, stay home!". If you don't enjoy new experiences in a quite different environment then you're much better off staying in the West where you know and understand all the rules and laws. This is the simple fact, we're not being cynical. This is South-East Asia, and things are different! That being said, learning all about this new culture is absolutely fascinating, we’ve been here for many years working and living amongst these wonderful, gentle people, their hospitality never ceases to amaze us and we certainly wouldn’t choose to live anywhere else in the world. We welcome the opportunity to show you around “Amazing Thailand”, there’s so much more to this country when you’ve a guide or two to take you off the beaten track and show you what it’s really about!
“One of the ten best motorcycling routes in the world”
NO speed cameras!
Hotel/Resort accommodation, bike hire, bike insurance, petrol, etc. all included.
Tours; Elephant camps, Hilltribes (Karin, Akha, Lahu, Karin longnecks), Boat trips, Golden Triangle(visit three countries, Thailand, Laos and Myanmar), Snake farms, all included!
Off-road carting, Bungee jumping and many more options available
For more information please visit our websites, www.tmtsite.com or www.thailandmotorcycletours.com
Or call us on +44 (0) 1260 279443
A contract is deemed to exist once a booking has been made and a deposit has been received by Thai Motorcycle Tours.com Co. Ltd (hereinafter referred to as TMT). By signing the booking form you accept all the conditions either stated or inferred, and those conditions apply to all those travelling on that booking, even if added at some later date.
It is a condition of booking that you obtain all necessary insurance protection. Thai motorcycle Tours.com will not accept any responsibility for a client’s failure to obtain the requisite insurance cover.
Reservation amendments by you following issue of a confirmation invoice and/or receipt of full payment must be made in writing and incur an amendment fee of £25.00.
Client cancellation charges.
Your deposit is non-refundable as costs will have already been incurred by our company. Cancellation less than eight weeks before your tour date incurs a charge of 50% of the tour cost, and if a cancellation is made less than four weeks before the commencement of the tour payment will due in full.
Cancellation by us.
(A) Thai Motorcycle Tours.com reserves the right to cancel Tours up to 14 days prior to commencement if minimum tour numbers have not been reached or if a rental motorcycle or substitute is no longer available. Thai Motorcycle Tours.com is obliged to give you as much warning as possible of any cancellation, and will make every endeavour to offer an alternative. If there is no suitable alternative, then the tour cost will be refunded in full, which will constitute full settlement. Thai Motorcycle Tours.com is under no obligation to refund the cost of additional arrangements such as extra nights accommodation or flights. (B.) Thai Motorcycle Tours.com and its guides reserved the right to accept, decline or restrain any customer from any tour at any time, and to cancel any contract on grounds of non-compliance with these terms and conditions, those of the guides, local traffic regulations or a guide's requirements for group travel. In such circumstances no refund will be due. Customers agree to except the authority and rules of Thai Motorcycle Tours.com , its guides and agents.
Acts of God.
TMT, our agents, assignees and contractors accept no responsibility for and shall not be liable in respect of any loss, damage alterations or delays or changes arising from circumstances beyond our control, such as (but not restricted to) war or threat of war, industrial or political dispute, civil strife, fire, weather conditions, terrorist activity, natural or nuclear disaster, transportation difficulties, delays or cancellations, computer malfunctions or airport closures or congestion. If in doubt we suggest that you take any Foreign Office advice appertaining to the situation at that time.
We undertake to provide you with a motorcycle either of the type already described in our brochure or with what is in our judgement a suitable alternative. If you are dissatisfied with the motorcycle offered then that must be made clear to the guide immediately as no alternative or refund will be offered as later complaints cannot be met. There is no refund if a motorcycle is returned prior to the end of a tour or if a client decides to terminate his/her tour before normal completion date.
It is a condition of Thai Motorcycle Tours.com, and indeed Thai law, that you wear an approved crash helmet when riding a motorcycle. We are sometimes able to provide helmets locally, but we strongly encourage you to bring your own. Thai Motorcycle Tours.com accepts no liability for the condition of any crash helmet.
When touring it is your responsibility to follow any instructions or information issued to you by the tour leader. As a general rule, you must not leave the country, travel on private roads, or take the motorcycle off-road without our prior permission. Breaches of restrictions may invalidate travel and motorcycle insurances.
Whilst TMT make every reasonable effort to be as accurate as possible with tour descriptions we reserve the right to alter the itinerary should local conditions or circumstances dictate a change at that time, provided that change is due to circumstances beyond our control or by the number of participants in that tour. Whilst taking part in a tour it is your responsibility to follow any instructions or information issued to you by the tour leader. TMT will not accept any liability if you do otherwise.
Mechanical problems or accidents.
In the case of either mechanical problems or an accident, the client must remain with their bike throughout and take advice from the tour leader. The client must not attempt unauthorised repairs or have them undertaken without prior consent. You will be required to leave a deposit (this is required by Thai Law and we will provide ) with our contractors at the start of your tour, the deposit normally being equivalent to the insurance excess which is deductible. Any damages to the bike will be deducted by the contractor at the end of your tour.
Passports and visas.
Thailand requires that your passport must be valid for more than six months after the date you intend to leave the country. If that is not the case you will probably be refused entry to the country and TMT cannot accept any responsibility under those circumstances.
You must hold a current (for the length of your tour) Motorcycle licence valid to drive vehicles under Group A. An international driving licence is also required but is not sufficient by itself.
Age, experience and health.
In order to qualify for a tour you need to be an experienced rider (preferably in group as well as individual riding) and have a full (and preferably clean) licence. Age is not a problem unless you are over seventy, in which case certain restrictions (insurance etc. which are beyond our control) may apply. In that situation we suggest that you take specialist advice.
TMT cannot accept any responsibility if your health is in question before you undertake the tour (heart problems, for example) as whilst the tour itself is not strenuous you are up in the mountains and it can he hot. Furthermore TMT cannot be held responsible for any health problems which may occur as a result of the tour either during or after the event.
TMT will undertake to comply with any special requests or requirements which you may make. You will be notified at that time of any extra cost(s) incurred.
Passengers/non-riders are more than welcome on all Tours. Only pillions notified to Thai Motorcycle Tours.com may be carried. Pillions not on the booking sheet may be carried for an extra charge.
The prices shown on either our brochure or website are correct at the time of the booking and are based on two persons sharing a room. TMT makes every endeavour to keep these prices except in the case of any changes in local regulations which are beyond our control.
If you have any complaint about the service that you have received from Thai Motorcycle Tours.com , our contractors or guides we require you to do the following.
1. Lodge the complaint with your Thai Motorcycle Tours.com guide as soon as possible, to allow us the opportunity to rectify the cause of your complaint. Failure to do so may reduce or even extinguish your legal rights. At the very latest, the complaint must be lodged by the end of the tour .
2. If not resolved at the time, follow this up in writing to Thai Motorcycle Tours.com within 30 days of the completion of your tour .
All complaints will be acknowledged within seven days of receipt, and we aim to respond in full within 30 days.
The 'Iron Butt' loop!
The one and only tour which requires no explanation, sells itself.
Three weeks / 21 nights, 7,778Km, weekend in Pattaya, weekend in Phuket, Start/finish Chiang Mai. 'Nuff said.
Well, what else could you possibly want to know: Where are we going? Everywhere! What are we doing? EVERYTHING! Experienced riders only!!
"Oo-oo, can I be a pussy and join / leave your group halfway through...?" NO!!
If you're able to hack three weeks of total, full on, sensory overload both on & off the road, put your responsible self away for the best part of a month and postpone sleep for the sakes of fun...almost indefinitely, you're in. If not, don't even ask, honestly, we'll laugh. Lots. Shandy-pants' & Big Girls' Blouses need NOT apply!!
We LOVE being able to display this gorgeous land and her wonderful inhabitants to one & all. We take our responsibility as mini-ambassadors (in a manner of speaking) very seriously, likewise our hearts will always belong to this amazing land.
However: All work & no play, dull, Jack & Jill, etc.., THIS tour is the one we keep back for ourselves. Never watered down, NO punches pulled, Gauntlet's down, reckon you have it in you...?
Plenty of ladies have managed it. Quite a few "tough" guys, didn't. You know who you are!
Arrival & Airport Transfer, Welcome Dinner, Day Ride, Cultural Dinner & Show, Thailand's Highest Peak, an Unbelievable assortment of roads & surfaces all the way from dirt to 6-lane highway! Visiting Mae Sariang, Mae Sot, Nakhon Sawan, Kanchanaburi, Kampaeng Phet, Tak.
Day 1) Arrival
Day 2) Day Ride. Shakedown for rider & machine, ensure both prepared & ready for the coming ministrations. And yes, if you're less than a half decent rider I will chuck you in the truck for the duration. No refunds.
Day 3) 320Km: Visiting temples, falls and a museum bearing opposite viwpoints - fascinating
Day 4) 230 Km: Visiting Burmese Refugee Camps, plus scenery & experiences only available through us, less Km's than yesterday while still more saddle-time. Good Value.
Day 5) 354 Km. Easy K's today. Cruising. Many, many possible attractions, TBA D2.
Day 6) 381 Km. Should be settling into the bike by now. If it ain't a part of you already...sure will be by the end of today! This one separates the wheat from the chaff, crescendo ending to the day with "the corkscrew", BEST bit of road in the entire country! Stay sharp!!
Day 7) 70 Km. Kushty. Often touted as "Thailand's most beautiful waterfalls", it's still worth a visit just to laugh at the 100+ Kg Russian ladies unable to understand they're actually offensive to the eye? Pictograph signs every 50-100m apart proclaiming respectable dress / respectful behaviour..which is why in the north here you'll see Chinese language rather than Russian, lesser of two...
Day 8) Off the bikes. If you like?! 100 Km or so to the aforementioned "mustn't miss", further if you like, we're entirely at your disposal, the "customer's choice" day.
Day 9) 350 Km. Northbound again, mountains to the left, plains on the right - avoiding those awful 6-lane wide strips of concrete & tarmacadam, home of the catatonic.
Day 10) 80 Km Half a day exploring some quite phenomenal archeology & architecture, before heading north to a fantastic little spot on the riverside... winding down, time to reflect upon the unbelievable amount of...stuff...crammed into such a short space of time and: It's over already?!?! We only left Chiang Mai the day before...oh, yeah, suppose so...
Day 11) 300 Km. Sweeping bends, chilled, relaxed, give the ol girl a handful every now and again. Become quite attached we have. Certainly never had a moment to begin those paperback thrillers bought on impulse in the airport, never pushed, never rushed, never had an idea there even was any form of schedule or timetable? And yet, never wanted for a thing, never had to ask...either...never actually had to worry, no concerns, don't enjoy admitting it but didn't have to..think..really? Appeared to be the entire country moved around our group, adapted itself to our needs, flawlessly, as if a whim of our collective wills.
Day 12) Wow. Refreshed, relaxed & even still a little shell-shocked! Return Transfer to CNX International airport seamlessly organised, beginning to wonder if it was all a dream and really I'm about to wake up on the Inbound flight, before the holiday? The TMT regular guests assured me this disjointed feeling totally normal on the first tour or two, those little "grin" moments just keep unveiling themselves months afterwards...
For a brief but brilliant period (1238–1376), the walled city of Sukhothai presided as the capital of Thailand, creating the legacy of a unified nation of Thai peoples and a phenomenal artistic heritage. Now an impressive assembly of elegant ruins, the Old City, has been preserved as Sukhothai Historical Park, one of Thailand's most popular attractions.
Following the border with Myanmar you almost feeling as if you’re there! Different faces and tribal dress make you realise that this certainly is the-road-less-travelled. This is certainly the "long way round” to this most famous of Thai cities, but you'll be glad to have experienced roads and scenery most people will never get the chance to see.
Day 1: Saturday; Arrival, Motorcycles allocated, Welcome Dinner, night on the town!
Day 2: Sunday; Safety Induction followed by group's preferred Day Ride
Day 3: Monday; 431Km, Chiang Mai to Mae Sot,,
Day 4: Tuesday; 211Km; Mae Sot to Umphang
Day 5: Wednesday; 284Km; Umphang to Tak
Day 6: Thursday: 89Km Tak to Sukhothai.
Day 7: Friday; 342Km; Sukhothai to Chiang Mai,
Day 8: Saturday; Departure Day, although most stay on for another week's fangin' around!
In addition to these four tours, we gladly offer completely customized guided motorcycle touring holidays from 6 to 23 days in length for groups numbering 5-15 riders. We're able to handle over 30 Riders if necessary, 12 month's notice required for parties of 25 and above please
Saturday and/or Sunday day rides around Chiang Mai province are also offered before and after our regularly scheduled tours, as part of an existing tour only. Our apologies, but we're unable to provide Day Rides as a stand-alone item. Please enquire for any and all special tour requests; we're always happy to meet your requirements.
We begin at the Orchid farm...
...before going on to the Snake Farm, including live venomous snake shows.
Lunch is provided at a fabulous 10 tier waterfall system within the National Park. Further on is a viewpoint allowing you the first glimpse of where you’ll be venturing next week.
Optional extras not included in the price are: go-carting, off-road buggies, quad bikes, shooting range and even bungee jumping!
Mae Rim elephant camp was made famous by ‘Ripley’s Believe It or Not’ and their ‘Elephant paintings’. No, not paintings of elephants, painting by elephants!
We next visit the monkey centre with a show including their training to gather the coconut crop for their owners.
Then we take the loop back to Chiang mai for some fabulous rural roads, stopping at a resort & restaurant for lunch by a lake.
Honda CB 500f
Ride the legendary Honda CB500 - We have 24 to choose from
35mm Lowered from standard versions also available (CB 500x only)
NEW IN!! Latest '2016' model, all-round 5% better - bringing together a beautifully balanced package. Upgrading to this little cracker will set you back just 500b/day extra. You won't regret it!!
Free upgrade for those with pillion passengers...
One of our 2012 model Kawasaki Versys a dozen to choose from!
If you would like an upgrade to this bike and are a single rider, no problem, just 750b/day extra can see you riding high!
Free TMT T-shirt supplied to all guests!
Sizes are Unisex: No Ladies / Men's sizing
Please note these also actual shirt sizes as measured not a "to fit XXcm chest" Eg. for a 42" chest you will need a 44" or Size L shirt, a medium will be embarrassingly tight! First T-Shirt free, additional available at prices below;
Size S: 86cm / 35" chest (x 66cm / 26") 400b
Size M: 98cm / 39" chest (x 71cm / 28") 450b
Size L: 112cm / 44" chest (x 76cm / 30") 500b
Size XL: 116cm / 46" chest (x 81cm / 32") 550b
Size XXL: 162cm / 48" chest (x 86cm / 34") 600b
Size 3XL: Available VERY occasionally, we'll need around 6 months notice to guarantee one for you
ALSO: Baseball Caps up to 62.25cm / 24.5” circumference @ 500b each
Tailor-made Boots (Currently Unavailable)
Apologies, our cobbler is currently experiencing health issues - these boots (or similar) will be offered again ASAF
Had a thought the other day... As we can source hand-made, tailored clothing here for about half the price you can get it off the peg back in the West why not pass these savings on to our guests? Starting small with the boots shown below, other items will be joining our range as and when I can source them.
Buffalo hide, softer, stronger than cow leather, far more durable. Reinforcing in stainless steel, none of that cheap plastic here! Fully padded inside and protected outside with scuff guards etc.
Special offer for our guests, only 6,000b!
Ordering couldn't be easier, simply draw around both feet on a sheet of A4 paper as shown, add the required measurements, scan it in and email to me. We can't of course be held responsible for faulty measurements but adjustments only run to a couple of hundred baht. Your boots will be ready and waiting for you when you arrive! We'll add the cost to your tour payment.
I've been using this guy for around four years now and not a single complaint. The above picture is exactly how he does it, with measurements around the indicated areas, plus one around the narrowest point of your ankle and one around your calf at boot top height, also to be included. L/h foot measurements l/h side of your drawing and (of course!) r/h foot measurements to the right.
Based on Two Sharing a Room: Otherwise Single occupancy Rates Apply
Our Four ‘Core’ Tours are Priced at; 8days/7nights - or multiples thereof - as displayed below
|Season/Month||Duration||Rider||Rider & Pillion||Single Occupancy||CDW||Accommodation|
|Low Season||Day Ride Only||6,790||11,269||N/A||300||Extra Nights Available|
|July,||Day Ride & Night||7,699||12,780||909||300||at rates below|
|August,||2 Days, 1 night||14,509||24,089||909||600||1,560 per night|
|September||3 Days (2 night)||22,149||36,769||1,819||900||3,120 / 2 nights|
|1 week (7 nights)||53,899||89,469||6,969||2,000||4,680 / 3 nights|
|High Season||Day Ride Only||7,400||12,289||N/A||300|
|October,||Day Ride & Night||8,399||13,949||999||300|
|March,||7night Tour A-D||58,899||97,779||7,399||2,000|
|April,||14night Tour A/+D||117,699||195,379||14,759||4,000||1,980 per night|
|May and June||11-Nights Tours E-G||98,629||163,719||12,359||5,000||3,960 / 2 night|
|Peak Season||Day Ride Only||7,979||13,249||N / A||300|
|November,||Day Ride & Night||9,179||15,239||1,119||300|
|December,||7night Tour A-D||64,189||106,559||7,779||2,000|
|January||14night Tour A/+D||128,369||213,099||15,559||4,000||2,400 per night|
|February||11-Nights Tours E-G||107,749||178,859||13,849||5,000||4,800 / 2 nights|
|22nts Around Thailand||215,499||357,729||27,698||9,000||7,200 / 3 nights|
Generally: Arrival & Departure Days being the Saturday, Day Ride on the Sunday after a short induction
Monday to Friday out on the road. Extra nights’ stay before/after the tour are readily available to best suit your flights, take your time booking to find the best deal, and we’ll gladly accommodate you, no problem
Saving You Money...!
We all work long & hard for those few little treats in life, doing without something to afford another. TMT is synonymous with Good Value. Please accept our apologies if the pricing tables below appear overly complicated: However, In order to save you as much cash as possible we've tiered our prices, both seasonally and economically. Rather than banging out a "One-Price-Fits-All" rate (with cash customers supporting the entire system), we prefer to offer our guests as many options as possible, and consequently offering a budget for every wallet? Don't hesitate to drop me a line if I can help clarify anything for you / work out your personal price, it'll be my pleasure
Beginning with Three-Tier Pricing: Thailand's Three Seasons, Low being quiet & least expensive, while Peak Season usually requires booking 6 months or more in advance?
Peak Season with the best weather runs November – February, Low (Monsoon) Season July/August/September, weather totally by luck of the draw. Lastly: By Default High Season occupies those remaining months, March, April, May, June and October, Certainly better weather guaranteed than through the Monsoon Season, but may still experience a few scattered showers
Looking for more than just a single day's riding? No Problem
From these Day Rates we can simply price a 1 / 2 / 3 (or more) D/N Tour, if it looks like decent weather ahead?
Please Note: - Should we decide to stay away from Chiang Mai for a night or two, SRS Will Apply
River Kwae Loop, Around Thailand Loop & Bespoke Tours
We know this country intimately, and are able to organise a vast array of Bespoke / Specialist Tours: POA
Motorcycle Upgrades & Insurance (CDW) Rates Obviously Unaffected by Seasonal Changes
Our entirely optional Collision Damage Waiver plan covers any accidental damage to the bike, and all for 2,000 THB/motorcycle/week. Conditions apply; First 20,000 Baht of each/any claim being Rider’s Responsibility
Cash Transferral Charges
Regretfully we must pass on the 5% service charge PayPal renders. Should you wish to pay by BTT (Bank Tele- Transfer) the only charge incurred will be for transmittal from your bank: sender accepts responsibility for this fee. We accept all charges regarding receipt of said transfer, while deducting any forwarded transmittal fees from remittance total. Hard-copy receipt issued by our bank detailing all charges scanned & forwarded via email, original retained FYI on arrival. Similarly, if you elect to remit by credit card, there is a 4.5% Service Fee levied to your account. We pride ourselves on being above board – NO hidden costs or charges, everything open for scrutiny
Thank you very much indeed for taking the time to read this far!
We've striven over the years to reach the pinnacle of motorcycle touring and are very proud indeed to have maintained this position. We will continue tirelessly & diligently, adding to our reputation as a matter of course on the likes of TripAdvisor etc. If you have any comments / criticism regarding this website or our Modus Operandi...please, let us know, we'd really appreciate your input.
And if you have the slightest query - please don't hesitate to contact us and we'll be more than happy to assist
Our office hours in Thailand are 05.30-13.30 (GMT + 7hrs)
Calls/emails outside these hours will not be answered until the following day. I believe it's very rude to have one's nose buried in the phone/PDA while guests who've paid for our attention are being ignored? Consequently after 7am daily I'm on our guests' timetable and at their disposal, apologies but guests' here now must take precedence over enquiries.
I take just the one weekend off in each month, usually the third immediately after we finish a tour.